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Denied SCO Suggestions

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Hello all,

Another set of small suggestions around SCO-19.

The suggestions:

Impounder:

Give SCO-19 the impounder. Simply put, some SCO-19 get access to the ticket system and others do not. I just think for the benefit of the server and the department, SCO-19 should have access to remove vehicles, not only will this save time and SCO-19 impounding using other methods or calling for an officer, it would benefit in general that they can do it during peak times and stop lag, especially with the base being next to the car dealer where we pass multiple abandoned cars that could just be quickly impounded by us on the way to the base.

Shield:
Give SCO-19 TST the Heavy shield as they are the specialists for the intended use of the heavy shield instead of the deployable shield, thus making it more useful for the sub-department.

40mm:
Give SCO-19 the ability to purchase more 40mm ammo as where the current supply spawn, they are stolen straight after restart and therefore members do not get the chance to use them whereas it would benefit the department if they could. Obviously at a high price so it cannot be abused.

FTO job role:
Add a role in game called FTO for SCO-19 for the reason of, it shows when training is being conducted and also can then give the player of that role access to whitelist to the roles they need to be able to which is: TTM, SRO, CTSFO and TST however also give them access to be able to whitelist to PVT so that they can also conduct tryouts under that role again showing players that they are not going to respond to emergencies and are instead training.
They would need access to the armoury but to also spawn with all the equipment and specialist equipment to show tutorials and save times of respawning and coming back to the training area with the needed job each time and to then change again to whitelist.
On top of this give them the option to purchase a car bomb from the F4 menu so they can put it on a tutorial car for training the CTSFO role so that they do not need to travel to BP to get one per training session.

Unblacklist of props:
The following props were used in some planned training exercises for SCO-19 but were recently blacklisted:
models/straya/train.mdl
models/straya/stairwell.mdl
There was a train breach training exercise as well as a stairwell practice which would stop us from interrupting RP while doing some training exercises.
Potentially just unblacklist for set jobs such as HUM and FTO etc to stop abuse.

EDIT/Addition - Pay increase:
Currently the Police Department gets money around 25k and upwards, SCO-19 CST only gets 5k never mind any other rank, this needs to be equalised especially when there is a few SCO on and no TTM or TST is on, we have to pay for medical attention in the hospital etc. Similarly if we had to pay for 40mm we would need money for that. As well as us being the Specialist Firearms Command, we are more likely to kill suspects and thus less likely to conduct arrests compared to PD and therefore get less of the 50k payments per arrest too.

Overall end statement:
These are just some of the suggestions, yes some of them are a push but these are the suggestions which have been brought up to me as the HOD so I thought I would open them up for public discussion. Yes I know most if not all will be denied however again, these are what members of SCO-19 have brought up to me. I am happy to discuss as well as have a discussion around this in SCO-19 discord over VC if anyone would like a discussion on this.

All suggestions noted EDIT/Addition have been added based on comments reminding me of other suggestions I forgot to add!

Many thanks,
 
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Give sco some pava spray, to control non complying and non-violent aggresive suspects (fists)
 
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Impounder +1

Shield idk

40mm -1

FTO job role -1

Unblacklist of props big -1 the props are very big and can be abused

EDIT/Addition - Pay increase: -1 sco have snipers , shields , medics every bloody gun , special cars bomb equipment , grenades , pd
 
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+99999 we are specialists, we need more things to assist us, I would also like to see the Vito or something without a lightbar as well as some more cars added to our dealer or at least special separate vehicles, Like a fully blacked out undercover car all pure black tinted window both back front and sides with hidden lights.

the undercover van isn’t really undercover as they can see our uniform when going past us
 
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-1 buying more 40mils are OP and you already have a tonne of specialist weapons and equipment, just because you die once dosent mean all these changes, maby first take into considoration balancing and that other departments need help first
 
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+1 most of this shows valid points apart from unblacklisting of props as Cian has mentioned could be abused
 
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Comments that involve +1 and -1 are being removed if you're unable to actually contribute to the discussion. There is a thread voting located at the top, that you can use as an alternative to either upvote it or downvote it.
Also, please never make a massive thread for a bunch of suggestions, as it is unlikely for all of these to either be accepted/denied, which makes it harder to place the thread in the right category.
 
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-1 buying more 40mils are OP and you already have a tonne of specialist weapons and equipment, just because you die once dosent mean all these changes, maby first take into considoration balancing and that other departments need help first
Hello MaverickRat,

All of these suggestions have been raised to me, these are not because someone has “died once”, it’s issues collected over time. The issue is that we have nowhere to purchase the 40mm and we are also restricted on our use of 40mm grenades, whereas once again others are not. I’m not saying other departments don’t need help but nothing is stopping them making suggestions either, nor does it stop you from suggesting where you think other departments should be helped. I am just doing suggestions for the department which I run as that is my priority.

Also just because we have specialist equipment does not mean we should not have access to the basic equipment.

Many thanks,
 
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Hmm.

I get that you want to have "more features" and "be more elite".
I understand that. I support this. This is something we've been attempting to do over the past couple years. Our main issue regarding this is that SCO either does (a) nothing by being caught up in endless training or (b) too much. Our goal of making SCO a big elite department always results in people not really enjoying it or not properly using it the way it's supposed to be used.

I'm sorry that you are unable to conduct some trainings because of blacklisted props, however these props are - and usually for a good reason - blacklisted to prevent abuse, and we can't make exceptions.

SCO is not a PD replacement. If we increased SCO slots to the same rate as PD, incentives for people to play PD would be lower. We are PoliceRP and not SCO19RP. I'm sure this can be somewhat agreed on what exactly we can do here.

I can't really comment on the impounder or the 40mm but I'm down to look into the shield thing, what you said seems logical to me.

I still encourage you to suggest things that could practically improve RP for everyone on the server while keeping/enhancing the balance.
 
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+1, Especially to the shield swap.
TST are being trained on urban ops, so giving them the more appropriate shield would go a long way in helping us define our role a bit more clearly.
 
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Sco19 already have the most content out of all government departments. I think management should focus on improved NCA/NHS before adding more things to Sco19
 
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Sco19 already have the most content out of all government departments. I think management should focus on improved NCA/NHS before adding more things to Sco19
Hello Hybrid,

Everyone is saying this but not suggesting things for it, how would management do it without the ideas? I mentioned this previously on MaverickRats comments.

Many thanks,
 
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Impounder: +0 not really SCO-19's job to impound cars but I guess I could see it would be useful if responding to a bank raid ect and the suspects car is parked there.

Shield: -1 TST is already very overpowered and by adding the full body shield that makes the incentive to go on the higher up job pretty pointless as there is nothing different about that job then.

40mm: -1 would rather be in actual gun fights rather than whoever shoots a 40mm at who first, doesn't really make combat enjoyable.

FTO job role: -1 Seems like a lot of effort for something that has been worked around for quite a while.

Unblacklist of props:
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them props were very easy to be abused

Pay increase: -1 SCO have alot more specialist equiptment which entice people to the department, NCA have the ability to go undercover and protect the PM whereas PD don't really have anything unique in that sense; therefore the difference in wage seems pretty fair to me.
 
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Hmm.

I get that you want to have "more features" and "be more elite".
I understand that. I support this. This is something we've been attempting to do over the past couple years. Our main issue regarding this is that SCO either does (a) nothing by being caught up in endless training or (b) too much. Our goal of making SCO a big elite department always results in people not really enjoying it or not properly using it the way it's supposed to be used.

I'm sorry that you are unable to conduct some trainings because of blacklisted props, however these props are - and usually for a good reason - blacklisted to prevent abuse, and we can't make exceptions.

SCO is not a PD replacement. If we increased SCO slots to the same rate as PD, incentives for people to play PD would be lower. We are PoliceRP and not SCO19RP. I'm sure this can be somewhat agreed on what exactly we can do here.

I can't really comment on the impounder or the 40mm but I'm down to look into the shield thing, what you said seems logical to me.

I still encourage you to suggest things that could practically improve RP for everyone on the server while keeping/enhancing the balance.
Hello FZN,

This is completely fair and understandable and I do not disagree with anything said.

I brought up the props to see if there was an option for them to be authorised for set jobs, which I assume this server does not have the option to do but was just a quick addition to the suggestion while it was in mind.

I do not want SCO to replace PD in any way, the only reason I specify some things here is due to them being raised to me. However you raised the point around SCO-19 having done a lot of training or as you say "endless training" now this is something I do not want, but we have to do it at the moment to make sure people do not breach the "Rules of Engagement" etc which defeats the whole playing of a game, this is because some people do try to cause others to kill "innocent" people, I emphasise innocent as they would have just had a firearm out and ran around a corner and jump out unarmed or pull out a knife and not be a direct threat to life which does cause issues and therefore leads to PSDs and complaints that then result in needing of "retraining" etc. Therefore the training has to be there as silly as it is. I can say "go read the handbook" or do a quick training but then, is it the elite department we claim it to be? And is it then fair to go on and remove someone because they broke a ROE they did not know was there or a rule for SCO-19 they had never seen.

Others have also raised issues that 40mm do not need to be purchased by SCO-19, the point is that really if we are saying SCO-19 are OP, we are still limited from handbook rules and ROE whereas civilians are not.

I have noticed and received a lot of complaints recently about people not having fun because of all the rules and paperwork around PD and PSD stopping them from doing what the game is for which is fun. Just like people feel that they come online to be judged and get in trouble for doing something that really is not something that IRL would ever happen.

As for RP suggestions, I have numerous and I am sure to put them on individual threads as Harry requested.

I am happy to discuss any of the above mentioned and any other suggestions I have anytime also!

Many thanks,
 
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